Legislature(2001 - 2002)

02/22/2001 04:05 PM Senate ASC

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                     ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                   
                  JOINT ARMED SERVICES COMMITTEE                                                                              
                         February 22, 2001                                                                                      
                             4:05 p.m.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATE MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator Gary Wilken, Co-Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Randy Phillips                                                                                                          
Senator Loren Leman                                                                                                             
Senator Drue Pearce                                                                                                             
Senator Bettye Davis                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative Eldon Mulder, Co-Chair                                                                                           
Representative Lisa Murkowski                                                                                                   
Representative John Harris                                                                                                      
Representative Jeannette James                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
PUBLIC MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Jake Lestenkof (via teleconference)                                                                                             
John Hoyt (via teleconference)                                                                                                  
George Vakalis (via teleconference)                                                                                             
Dean Owen (via teleconference)                                                                                                  
Charles Wallace (via teleconference)                                                                                            
                                                                                                                              
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Alan Walker                                                                                                                     
Representative Reggie Joule                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
OTHERS PRESENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Joe Green                                                                                                        
Representative Richard Foster                                                                                                   
Representative Ken Lancaster                                                                                                    
Senator Gene Therriault                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                              
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALASKA'S SPACE MISSION AND MILITARY FORCE PROJECTION:  ADJUTANT                                                                 
GENERAL PHIL OATES, DEPARTMENT OF MILITARY AND VETERANS AFFAIRS                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Adjutant General Phil Oates                                                                                                     
Department of Military &                                                                                                        
  Veterans Affairs                                                                                                              
PO Box 5800                                                                                                                     
Ft Richardson, AK  99505-0800                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
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CO-CHAIRMAN  GARY WILKEN called the  Joint Armed Services  Committee                                                          
meeting to order at 4:05  p.m.  Present were Senators Pearce, Leman,                                                            
Davis and Co-Chair  Wilken, and Representatives  Murkowski,  Harris,                                                            
James  and  Co-Chair Mulder.    Also  present  were Representatives                                                             
Green, Foster  and Lancaster.   He  announced that Adjutant  General                                                            
Phil Oates would update  the committee on Alaska's Space Mission and                                                            
National Missile  Defense.  He asked  if there was anything  to come                                                            
before  the committee  at  this  time.   Hearing  nothing,  CO-CHAIR                                                            
WILKEN turned the meeting over to Adjutant General Oates.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
ADJUTANT  GENERAL PHIL OATES  stated he would  update the  committee                                                            
about  new things  on the horizon  as well  as ongoing  issues.   He                                                            
pointed out  the Alaska National  Guard and  the military in  Alaska                                                            
are part  of the community.   As part of  its community support,  it                                                            
has made a  major effort to help the  World Winter Games  of Special                                                            
Olympics.    He  asked  Mr.  Ben  Stevens  to  discuss  the  Special                                                            
Olympics.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. BEN STEVENS  acknowledged that Adjutant General  Oates is one of                                                            
the strongest  supporters of the Special  Olympics.  This  year, the                                                            
Department of Military  and Veterans Affairs will house 670 athletes                                                            
on various military bases  in Alaska.  In addition, Adjutant General                                                            
Oates  has agreed  to activate  375  Air Guard  police to  act as  a                                                            
security  force.  Beginning  on Wednesday  night 2,458 participants                                                             
are  confirmed  to  arrive from  74  nations.    The event  will  be                                                            
spectacular  for   both  Anchorage  and  the  state.     He  invited                                                            
legislators to join the activities on March 4.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. STEVENS  informed committee  members that  the $500,000  Special                                                            
Olympics  request in  the supplemental  appropriations  bill is  the                                                            
final  piece of  a $16  million  budget  that the  Special  Olympics                                                            
Committee has assembled  from a multitude of funding sources: state,                                                            
municipal, federal, and  the corporate community.  The $500,000 will                                                            
be used for the  purpose of housing Team North America  on the base,                                                            
so the military  will be reimbursed for housing.   In event that the                                                            
housing expense  does not amount to $500,000, the  unused funds will                                                            
revert back to the general  fund.  He thanked legislators for all of                                                            
the support  they have provided  since 1997,  when they enacted  the                                                            
guarantee for the VIC committee.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIRMAN  WILKEN  asked  how many  people  are arriving  for  the                                                            
Special Olympics.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. STEVENS  said  2,500 athletes  and 200 officials  and  technical                                                            
delegates are  participating.  He  anticipates about 7,000  visitors                                                            
to come through Anchorage at some point.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIRMAN WILKEN  asked if the event will be broadcast  around the                                                            
world on television.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  STEVENS  said   the  television  broadcast  package   has  been                                                            
confirmed.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIRMAN  WILKEN thanked Mr. Stevens  for his work and  announced                                                            
the presence of Senators Phillips and Austerman.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ADJUTANT  GENERAL  OATES  said  the  business  he  is  in  is  about                                                            
leadership and  leadership is about people.  His presentation  today                                                            
is about the people  he represents who make his business  work.  His                                                            
presentation is as follows.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     I  thought I'd  start by telling  you something  that  you                                                                 
     already know  but, sometimes, if you just look  at it from                                                                 
     a different  perspective, it brings new meaning  to it but                                                                 
     it also brings relevance  to the military pieces that I'll                                                                 
     talk  about.   What  I'm going  to  talk about  here,  the                                                                 
     Alaska National  Guard, is truly unique.  We're  no longer                                                                 
     just an M-Day  force - a mobilization day force.   We're a                                                                 
     part of the daily operational  mission of the armed forces                                                                 
     because our  active duty forces have come down  so much in                                                                 
     strength.   But also here in Alaska, we're also  a part of                                                                 
     bringing new  mission relevance to all of the  military in                                                                 
     Alaska  and that's the National  Guard that's doing  that,                                                                 
     and they're  also part of bringing new technology  and new                                                                 
     economic opportunities here.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     I  thought I'd  start out by  taking this  globe and  this                                                                 
     little piece  of string, and you see this piece  of string                                                                 
     - it's  a little more  than one-eighth  of the way around                                                                  
     the globe.  Now many places  think that they're the center                                                                 
     of  the globe.   You might  pick, say, Los  Angeles.   You                                                                 
     know they  think they're the center, or New York,  or over                                                                 
     in Berlin  or Beijing.  But you know, as the globe  turns,                                                                 
     if you're  not near  the top or the  bottom of the globe,                                                                  
     you're  not really the center  because those other places                                                                  
     all move.   There's really a  lot of significance in  that                                                                 
     when you're  kind of stationary up there and you  have the                                                                 
     same perspective all of the time.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Now we'll  kind of come back  to the string idea.  If  you                                                                 
     take the string up here,  and you stretch it around - I'll                                                                 
     just put in Juneau, Anchorage  or Fairbanks - suddenly you                                                                 
     are reaching just about  85 percent of the major developed                                                                 
     areas in our  world.  Well, you could say you  can do that                                                                 
     from the South,  too - have we got anybody from  Australia                                                                 
     here? You don't really have  that economic infrastructure.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     But you  take the same string  and you - see, well golly,                                                                  
     that's a pretty good place  for air routes because you can                                                                 
     get  to places from  here over  the top if  you think  the                                                                 
     globe  is round,  quicker than  you could do  it from  any                                                                 
     other  place if you  talk about getting  to places in  the                                                                 
     other direction as well.   Look at fiber optic cable - why                                                                 
     is this  suddenly such  an important hub  to the world  in                                                                 
      the Pacific - that same string as it stretches around.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     If  you look at  that string,  if you put  this string  in                                                                 
     Kodiak,  and then you  stretch it down,  in fact you  even                                                                 
     double the string, look  how far that you go with a launch                                                                 
     capability.  There's no  other launch facility anywhere in                                                                 
     the world  that has that expanse of a missile  range.  Now                                                                 
     if you  take this string though,  and you run it straight                                                                  
     up over  the top, where  you can put  something in orbit,                                                                  
     you  can put  a lot more  weight up  there at  a lot  less                                                                 
     cost.  Plus,  you've got the opportunity from  that orbit,                                                                 
     to look  down at the top of the  Northern Hemisphere.   If                                                                 
     you  take that same  string and put  it from nations  like                                                                 
     Iran,  or Iraq, or North Korea,  and you say well if  they                                                                 
     have a  missile, they're not  going to shoot that missile                                                                  
     so it goes  under, they're going to shoot that  missile so                                                                 
     it goes  over.  And,  so, where best  to defend from  that                                                                 
     missile?  Well, here's that same location.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     So  there are not  politics in national  missile defense;                                                                  
     it's  the physics  of the  problem.   How can  you be  far                                                                 
     enough forward  so you can see them launch from  space and                                                                 
     from the ground,  you can react to launch, you  can launch                                                                 
     and  you can see how  you did in that  intercept and  then                                                                 
     you can watch again.  But  you can't do that anywhere else                                                                 
     than Alaska and that's why  Alaska is winning that debate.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Now if  you look at this globe,  let's use the string  one                                                                 
     other  time.   Where  can  you be  forward  stationed  and                                                                 
     rearward stationed  at the same time on our same  nation's                                                                 
     soil?   Well  you can only  do that  in Alaska.   We  talk                                                                 
     about foreign  deployed forces.  That's been our  doctrine                                                                 
     ever  since the  end of the  Korean War,  to position  our                                                                 
     forces  forward.   But as  our forces  have  come down  we                                                                 
     can't have  them everywhere, and since we can't  have them                                                                 
     everywhere,  they've  started coming  back  to the United                                                                  
     States and  rapid deployment has become the norm  du jour.                                                                 
     And  so where can  you be  rapidly deployable  and on  our                                                                 
     same soil  and rapidly deployable to all of these  places?                                                                 
     Well, Alaska,  and that's one reason Alaska is  growing in                                                                 
     significance.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Now  when you  look at  Alaska as  well, what  do you  see                                                                 
     happening  in the  Lower  48 and indeed  the  rest of  the                                                                 
     world?  You  see population growth, you see environmental                                                                  
     restrictions,  you see  congested air  corridors, you  see                                                                 
     congested sea corridors,  you see people saying, not in my                                                                 
     backyard  with military  training.   That's  not the  case                                                                 
     here  in Alaska  and it's  not the  case because  of  this                                                                 
     group.   It's because of our  citizens and their support.                                                                  
     Their long standing identification  with the military - in                                                                 
     fact  our  common  history and  heritage,  but  it's  also                                                                 
     because  we've  got the  expanse  and  we don't  have  the                                                                 
     environmental   restrictions  in  our  military  training                                                                  
     areas.   We've got that  expanse of  - wide expansive  air                                                                 
     training corridors  where you can fly an F-22  and you can                                                                 
     do it supersonically.  You  can't do that in the Lower 48.                                                                 
     Can  you imagine F-22s  supersonically  out of, you  know,                                                                 
     the Washington, D.C. area.   You'd probably get a few - if                                                                 
     you  were  in the  legislature  there  you'd  probably  be                                                                 
     getting  some phone calls.  So  Alaska is the place  where                                                                 
     you can train.  You can  train from the air, you can train                                                                 
     on the ground, you can shoot  live, you can train from the                                                                 
     sea.    That's  going  to  grow  and   grow  and  grow  in                                                                 
     importance.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     There for awhile, and I've  been telling this story as you                                                                 
     know,  along with Senator  Wilken, I've  actually had  the                                                                 
     Sixth Division up there.   How many times have you heard a                                                                 
     similar  - a variation of this  story?  It certainly  goes                                                                 
     back 10 years  and maybe even more - trying to  get people                                                                 
     to listen  and to understand,  with what we just did  with                                                                 
     the   string   and   the   relevance   of   the  training                                                                  
     opportunities.   It's   getting  pretty   darn  close   to                                                                 
     happening.   People are recognizing  the relevance of  the                                                                 
     military  here  and  recognizing  the  relevance  of  this                                                                 
     string and this globe.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     So that kind of sets the  stage for what I'm going to talk                                                                 
     about.   But I would  say - I'm leaving  tonight to go  to                                                                 
     Washington,  D.C.  to  participate  in a  meeting  of  the                                                                 
     Adjutant  Generals Association  of the United States.   In                                                                 
     part of  that meeting, the Governor  has asked myself  and                                                                 
     President  Hamilton to go by and see Jim Evatt  of Boeing.                                                                 
     The reason  for visiting Jim  Evatt is he is the new  head                                                                 
     of the national  missile defense effort for Boeing.  He is                                                                 
     the   prime   contractor.   He's   also   the  government                                                                  
     representative  and,  by  the  way, he's  also  a retired                                                                  
     military air force officer.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     But  the  reason  we're  going to  see  Boeing  is Boeing                                                                  
     appears to  be very, very happy to take their  business to                                                                 
     Alaska  but doesn't  seem  to be  engaged in  doing  their                                                                 
     business   from  Alaska,  similar  to  what  they   do  in                                                                 
     Huntsville or what they  do in Seattle.  And a lot of that                                                                 
     is  the same  reason  -  they just  don't  understand  the                                                                 
     opportunities  that are up here.  And those opportunities                                                                  
     begin,  as  this group  knows  so well,  with  our Native                                                                  
     corporate  structure that gives  you business advantages.                                                                  
     It begins  with our fiber optic  connectivity that allows                                                                  
     you  to  export your  ones  and  your zeroes  in  and  out                                                                 
     anywhere in the world.   With our air cargo industry and a                                                                 
     growing maintenance capacity  for that cargo industry that                                                                 
     is going up here and aircraft,  and Boeing aircraft in the                                                                 
     military and C-17s that  they want to give to the National                                                                 
     Guard  and we want  to take and  - I'll  come back to  why                                                                 
     those  are  so  important.   It's  so  important  for  our                                                                 
     National  Guard. To  our launch facilities  at Kodiak  and                                                                 
     Poker  Flats - and  we talked about  that launch facility                                                                  
     and  its  increased relevance  for  military  testing  and                                                                 
     national  missile defense activities  - Northern Edge  and                                                                 
     other  areas.   To the  University and  its supercomputer                                                                  
     capacity   -  its   global  logistics,   its  geophysical                                                                  
     institute  and the business that Boeing can do  there - to                                                                 
     our    cold    weather   testing,    to    our   military                                                                  
     experimentation,  our  ranges,  our  training and  use  of                                                                 
     weapons  and procedures  that  Boeing is  developing,  our                                                                 
     polar launch capacity.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     And so, for  all of those reasons we need to tell  Boeing,                                                                 
     you  know,  it's  not good  enough  just  to  export  your                                                                 
     business into Alaska. You  need to come to Alaska and be a                                                                 
     part here.   [Indisc.] will explore is a joint  invitation                                                                 
     from the Governor  and this group to get the right  people                                                                 
      up here from Boeing and show them these opportunities.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Now  let's talk about  the Alaska  National Guard because                                                                  
     that's  truly what  I came here  to talk  about.  We  are,                                                                 
     really, we're  the old and we're the new.  The  genesis of                                                                 
     our Alaska  National Guard began in the World  War II era.                                                                 
     It has its  lineage back to the Alaska Territorial  Guard,                                                                 
     the  Eskimo Scouts, the  Cold War days  and, in fact,  the                                                                 
     mission  was fairly constant  through those Cold War  days                                                                 
     of being scouts out on the  frontier and looking across at                                                                 
     the  Red Bear  that  was over  there.   And we  were  well                                                                 
     suited for  that mission.  Our people that lived  in those                                                                 
     locations,  our Native  people, they  were superb at  that                                                                 
     mission  of living  in  the Arctic,  being scouts  in  the                                                                 
     Arctic and being the eyes  and ears of our nation out here                                                                 
     in the piece of real estate  that was closest to the USSR.                                                                 
     But  then when the  wall came down,  that mission changed                                                                  
     and we went almost eight  years without having a work plan                                                                 
     or a strategically relevant mission.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Now that is changing now  and we are now in the world plan                                                                 
     for  critical site defense.   This is  important and  I'll                                                                 
     just  take a  couple of  minutes to  describe  - the  Army                                                                 
     National  Guard, why that's an  important mission for  us.                                                                 
     As  Representative  Foster knows,  critical  site defense                                                                  
     exercises  the basic infantry skills.  You've  got to know                                                                 
     the basics of shooting your  weapon, of building defensive                                                                 
     positions,   of   how   to  defend   something,   how   to                                                                 
     communicate, how to scout  things, and how to protect that                                                                 
     infrastructure.   And that's important because  we have 74                                                                 
     locations   around  the  state  and  you  have  to  do  it                                                                 
     basically  on the individual  level because we don't  have                                                                 
     the  resources  to  pull  everybody  together  for higher                                                                  
     collective  training.   It's hard to  be a transportation                                                                  
     battalion when you don't  have any roads.  It's hard to be                                                                 
     a [indisc.]  defense battalion in these remote  areas when                                                                 
     you  don't have  the ability  to come together  and  train                                                                 
     routinely.   So we want to hold  on to that identity  - to                                                                 
     that  scout identity.   We want  to grow  this mission  of                                                                 
     critical  site defense  and we  can export  that.  We  can                                                                 
     export that to Korea to  defend an air field.  We could do                                                                 
     it  here in  Alaska  to defend  national  missile defense                                                                  
     sites  if we  need to do  that.   We could do  it here  to                                                                 
     defend  other sites.   So it's  a mission  we can get  our                                                                 
     arms around and we can do.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     But  we  also  want  to  take  some  of  that  Army  Guard                                                                 
     structure and we want to  do something else with it and we                                                                 
     don't  want to lose that scout  presence in rural Alaska.                                                                  
     And   to  have   this   [indisc.]   we  call   the   group                                                                 
     headquarters,  we  need three  battalions  of infantry  or                                                                 
     scouts,  so  how do  we  get those  battalions  and  start                                                                 
     transforming some of this  structure that we've got - this                                                                 
     Army  Guard structure  into something  different.  Well  a                                                                 
     great  way  is to  partner  with  other  states.   Now  we                                                                 
     already do that with California  and our support battalion                                                                 
     and  Army  Guard  structure.     They  have  some  of  our                                                                 
     companies  for  our  support  battalion   structure.    We                                                                 
     already do that with Hawaii.   Hawaii has a company of our                                                                 
     aviation battalion.   So taking that same concept  - we go                                                                 
     partly  with other  states, like  Vermont  and Maine,  and                                                                 
     maybe then transform one  of our battalions into something                                                                 
     that is brand new - a national  missile defense battalion.                                                                 
     We  wouldn't  want  to  do  that  if  it  put  this  other                                                                 
     structure at jeopardy, but  if we partner with these other                                                                 
     states  we can  take some of  this and  do something  else                                                                 
     with it.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Now why is  that important?  You see, my mission,  when we                                                                 
     talk  about national  missile defense,  is the mission  of                                                                 
     being  a first  provider  and being  responsible  for  the                                                                 
     recruiting,  the retention, the professional development,                                                                  
     the quality  of life, and taking care of the families  and                                                                 
     their  training to allow  them to do  their job and to  be                                                                 
     professionally  developed in the process.  We  are not the                                                                 
     people  that  will  fight  the national  missile  defense                                                                  
     system.  That  will be done through a structure  that will                                                                 
     go from  the battalion on the  ground here through the  US                                                                 
     Army Space Command through  the US Space Command up to the                                                                 
     national command authority  and we'll have also the NORAD,                                                                 
     and the Alaska NORAD region involved.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     So  that's not  our mission.   Our mission  is the people                                                                  
     mission.   When you  think of national  missile defenses,                                                                  
     you think  about a small group  of people to do that  job.                                                                 
     Any time that  you have a small group of people  that do a                                                                 
     job and  it's a very technical  and specific job, and  you                                                                 
     do  it in remote  places like  Fort Greeley  and Shimyea,                                                                  
     it's  hard to continually  maintain the  manning bases  to                                                                 
     keep  that mission going.   You're pyramid  is very  flat.                                                                 
     Not  a lot  of numbers.    Not a  lot of  opportunity  for                                                                 
     professional  development.   So  how do  we start getting                                                                  
     around  that?   How  do  we make  this  pyramid  a little                                                                  
     steeper?                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Well, one  idea, if the decision is made to fuel  this, is                                                                 
     to  start   with  a  foundation  that  we  would   call  a                                                                 
     traditional guard foundation.   That's the weekend warrior                                                                 
     that  you  may   have  heard  of.  It's  the  traditional                                                                  
     guardsman,  it's your  neighbor.  It's  those people  that                                                                 
     you  represent here  in Juneau.   They'd  do this because                                                                  
     it's  a labor  of love,  they  want to  be a  part of  the                                                                 
     military,  they  want to be  a part  of the  service.   By                                                                 
     having  that type  of structure  underneath  it gives  you                                                                 
     depth  that the full-timers  can go  for part-timers  when                                                                 
     the contractors  hire them away  because they're trained,                                                                  
     and believe  me that will happen.   It also gives you  the                                                                 
     opportunity to take the  part-timers to be the full-timers                                                                 
     when  you go  one or  two short.   So that's  the initial                                                                  
     piece of the puzzle.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
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     Now the  next piece of the puzzle  is you have to build  a                                                                 
     pyramid  that  includes other  states.   Now  who are  the                                                                 
     other  states  we're talking  with  here?   We're talking                                                                  
     about  Colorado,  Cheyenne  Mountain  -  the home  of  the                                                                 
     brigade  of the  national  missile defense  system,  we're                                                                 
     talking  about  New Mexico  where  you  do the  basic  air                                                                 
     defense  type of training  that we use,  you were talking                                                                  
     about  states like  Alabama,  the home of  Huntsville  and                                                                 
     also our National  Guard that's involved in their  defense                                                                 
     type  training,  we're  talking  about  Florida  that  has                                                                 
     similar skills,  we're talking about North Dakota  that is                                                                 
     also  in a  race to  have some  type of role  in national                                                                  
     missile defense.  So suddenly  we're looking at a national                                                                 
     guard  that is just  not centered  on a state  but it  has                                                                 
     some  ability   to  rotate.    Now  this  is  sounding   -                                                                 
     especially  - kind of like an  active duty bunch of  guys.                                                                 
     You know, you kind of PCS  around.  But we know how to get                                                                 
     there but  if we don't build in that type of flexibility,                                                                  
     we  will forever  more be  recruiting,  training, putting                                                                  
     them in jobs and recruiting  and training and putting them                                                                 
     in jobs like they're going  to be going out the back door.                                                                 
     We've  got  to have  the ability  to  rotate -  you  know,                                                                 
     rotation in  the state will be some of the pieces  for NMD                                                                 
     will be in Anchorage, the  ultimate command post, the site                                                                 
     activation  command, our headquarters initially  that will                                                                 
     be  building this.   Some of  the pieces  will be at  Fort                                                                 
     Greeley,  the missile field,  the battalion headquarters,                                                                  
     the families that live there.   Some of the pieces will be                                                                 
     at  Clear,   the  upgraded  early  warning  radar,   space                                                                 
     surveillance  - that's  the space surveillance  radar  for                                                                 
     that  system.  And  you know,  by the way,  and I'll  talk                                                                 
     about,  it will be National Guard  manning as well -  some                                                                 
     of the  people will  be at Shimyea,  on a rotation there.                                                                  
     Some  of the  people  will be  in that  traditional  guard                                                                 
     location, and where would  that best be?  Well, if you ask                                                                 
     me  right now, you  know, we  haven't got  a firm plan,  I                                                                 
     think  probably Fairbanks  would be a  good place.   We've                                                                 
     got a  brand new armory there,  we've got the University,                                                                  
     we've  got  the ROTC  element  there,  we've got  a  large                                                                 
     enough community  where we could have a traditional  guard                                                                 
     battalion.   You've got  to have some  population or  your                                                                 
     not  going to be  able to  recruit.  So  maybe Fairbanks,                                                                  
     maybe   some  of  those   scouts  there.     We'll   start                                                                 
     transforming  them  and maybe  we'll partner  with one  of                                                                 
     those other states.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Then  you've  got  to  develop  personnel  rules  for  the                                                                 
     National   Guard  so  take  this  [indisc.]  professional                                                                  
     development  and this rotation.  We go off to  send one of                                                                 
     these great  guards members to North Dakota and  Colorado,                                                                 
     and then when they want  to come back, they can't get back                                                                 
     in the door.  That's not  fair to them and ultimately that                                                                 
     will  fail too.  So  we've got to  have some reemployment                                                                  
     rights  and  we've  got  to  have  some flexibility   with                                                                 
     National  Guard so even if we  don't have a slot we  still                                                                 
     give them a job.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     We've got to have personnel  rules in place that recognize                                                                 
     these  are hardship assignments.   The military for  years                                                                 
     and years has given extra  incentives for the promotion or                                                                 
     pay or  benefits if you're in  a hardship assignment.   We                                                                 
     need to do that for the  National Guard.  And suddenly you                                                                 
     see the Alaska National  Guard is becoming the champion of                                                                 
     a new  way of doing business.   And this is also the  same                                                                 
     hook that's going to bring  Boeing up here.  This is a big                                                                 
     deal.   It's a big deal not only  because of its military                                                                  
     significance,  it's a big deal  because we're plowing  new                                                                 
     ground  in  the National  Guard  and what  we do  in  this                                                                 
     nation.    It's  also a  big  deal  for what  it  does  to                                                                 
     education, ROTC, fiber connectivity,  [indisc.] from AADC,                                                                 
     technical  opportunities,  other economic  opportunities.                                                                  
     This is the  hook.  So if no other reason than  that, it's                                                                 
     an important thing.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Now  I've given  a lot of  presentations  on the national                                                                  
     level debate  on national missile defense.  I  won't go on                                                                 
     to that  here, today.   But I am also  firmly in favor  of                                                                 
     our nation  having national missile  defense.  It's  quite                                                                 
     simply  - you  hear people  argue, well  it won't protect                                                                  
     against  all hazards  - the  satchel charge,  if somebody                                                                  
     brings  it  up  -  the  cruise  missile,   the  thuds  and                                                                 
     [indisc.]  that come down - I  don't know where they  come                                                                 
     from,  maybe Canada  or Mexico.   Well,  it won't protect                                                                  
     against them  but it's like an airbag in your  car and the                                                                 
     airbag  won't protect  you getting hit  by a train but  it                                                                 
     will  sure help  you out and  provide you  with [indisc.]                                                                  
     protection.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     The  Congress  is  responsible  for the  defense  of  this                                                                 
     nation.  They  [indisc.] in front of all of us,  including                                                                 
     the  military so we're  vulnerable.   We have no defenses                                                                  
     against this.  As soon as  it's technically feasible we're                                                                 
     going  to have it so  I think that's  safe to say -  we're                                                                 
     going to have  it and we can talk about the timelines  but                                                                 
     I wanted  everybody to hear the  piece about what is  that                                                                 
     going  to  do  to  the  National  Guard.   That's  pretty                                                                  
     significant.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Now let me fast forward  over to a mission over on the Air                                                                 
     Guard  side.  We could  get a lot  more sophistication  on                                                                 
     national missile  defense but in the interest  of time and                                                                 
     cover some other areas.   Let's talk about C-17s.  C-17 is                                                                 
     the new military  transport that our nation's  military is                                                                 
     going  to   use.    It's  going  to  replace  the  C-141,                                                                  
     ultimately  the C-5,  and even  the C-130s.   This is  the                                                                 
     transport plane of the future.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Our  National  Guard  will be  the  second  state, behind                                                                  
     Mississippi,  to receive  C-17s and I  think you'll see  a                                                                 
     decision that  will do this this year.  And these,  we had                                                                 
     some  agreement,  the  active military  and  the National                                                                  
     Guard, that  this will be a National Guard unit.   Now how                                                                 
     do you  think that is?  Wouldn't  you kind of think,  well                                                                 
     wouldn't those  active duty guys rather have those  and be                                                                 
     able to control  them.  This is the Alaska National  Guard                                                                 
     not  the  National Alaska  Guard  -  although you  see  us                                                                 
     transforming  into  more and  more operational  missions,                                                                  
     first  provider  missions.   The  active duty  military  -                                                                 
     they're  pretty smart fellows.   They see what the Alaska                                                                  
     National   Guard   has  in  Alaska   as   opposed  to   US                                                                 
     Transportation  Command and Air Mobility Command.   If the                                                                 
     National  Guard has it,  we can use it  more as a Pacific                                                                  
     resource.    We  have  more ability  to  keep  it  in  the                                                                 
     Pacific.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Now  what does that  do for Alaska?   That makes suddenly                                                                  
     Alaska more  relevant as a strategic force because  it has                                                                 
     the  polar  ability,  because  it has  its  own strategic                                                                  
     assets to use that.  And  that aircraft also has relevance                                                                 
     to our state missions.   They can land at about 80 percent                                                                 
     of  the airfields  in  Alaska  - the  C-17s.   Now you're                                                                  
     probably  not going to  land it on a  gravel strip out  at                                                                 
     Fort Yukon,  but you could do it if you had to.   We would                                                                 
     also  keep our C-130s.   We'll still  have four HC-130s  -                                                                 
     our refueling  C-130s.  As part  of this package, we  want                                                                 
     to give  them a roll  off capability  for refueling so  we                                                                 
     can have them  as our standard transport aircraft  or they                                                                 
     could be used for a refueling mission.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     But  who again with the  C-17s?  This  is not only -  it's                                                                 
     making  us a first provider but  it's the Alaska National                                                                  
     Guard  that  is  leading  the  way  into  making  us  more                                                                 
     strategically  relevant,  whether  it's  national missile                                                                  
     defense  or whether it's strategic  transport with the  C-                                                                 
     17s.  That's pretty significant.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     We've  got  this National  Guard  in  - on  one-hand,  our                                                                 
     identity  is with  the scouts  and  the Cold  War.   We're                                                                 
     adjusting   that  to  keep  that  alive  today  and   into                                                                 
     tomorrow.   At the  same time, we're  getting involved  in                                                                 
     space and  force provider missions.  Those force  provider                                                                 
     missions are not only in  what we are doing that match the                                                                 
     missile defense for providing  the forces to US Army Space                                                                 
     Command.   Our C-17s, where we're providing the  strategic                                                                 
     airlift   capability  to  CINC  PAC  and  to  the  PAC-AF                                                                  
     Commander  and to the Alcom Commander, but it's  also - we                                                                 
     anticipate  a decision here, probably this week,  at least                                                                 
     this  month,  to go  ahead  and assume  over  a four-year                                                                  
     period the  responsibility for taking over the  manning of                                                                 
     the  RAOC - the  Regional  Air Operations  Center for  the                                                                 
     Alaska  NORAD  Region.   This  would  bring in  about  148                                                                 
     military  positions  to our National  Guard.   And that's                                                                  
     important for the state  because suddenly we have Alaskans                                                                 
     doing  these missions  - Alaskans and  their families  who                                                                 
     will stay here in the state  doing those missions and also                                                                 
     we're  gaining technical  expertise.   And also, remember                                                                  
     the pyramid I talked about,  it's real important that this                                                                 
     pyramid  get a  little bit  steeper,  and you  do that  by                                                                 
     building common  mission sites that people can  rotate to.                                                                 
     Where  else could  they  rotate?   Well, that's  also  the                                                                 
     ultimate command post, we'll  be the ultimate command post                                                                 
     for  national missile  defense.   [Indisc.]   That's  also                                                                 
     skill  sets that  you see at  Clear.   Now, we're further                                                                  
     away from  decisions that start the manning at  Clear.  In                                                                 
     fact, we hit  a pothole in the road just this  last couple                                                                 
     of  weeks because people  are nervous  whether the Alaska                                                                  
     National  Guard  can  maintain  the manning  in  a remote                                                                  
     location and assume this whole mission.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     I think it's  fair to say that of those approximately  100                                                                 
     positions,  that we  can do most  of them,  if not all  of                                                                 
     them,  so our proposal back to  them is to start evolving                                                                  
     into  it and just  see how far  we can go.   But the  more                                                                 
     structure  we give out there and the steeper the  pyramid,                                                                 
     and  the  smarter  we  build  these   units  and  build  a                                                                 
     foundation   of   traditional   guard   bases  rotational                                                                  
     opportunities, and attractive  packages, I think we can do                                                                 
     that  because  we've  seen,  ever  since  WWII,  that  the                                                                 
     military likes to be stationed in Alaska.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     We pick  off a lot  of low hanging  fruit from the active                                                                  
     duty  military  that  comes here.    And  there's another                                                                  
     important  consideration here, that the state  is involved                                                                 
     in some  expense for our National  Guard.  That's part  of                                                                 
     the package.  It's not a  bad deal.  You give us about $10                                                                 
     million  and we  give you about  $330 million.   That's  a                                                                 
     pretty  good  investment.   Now  we've  seen that  in  the                                                                 
     support we've had from the  committees.  But these two new                                                                 
     missions are kind of neat  because we get the missions, we                                                                 
     get the  people, we provide the  forces but somebody  else                                                                 
     pays  for the  infrastructure.   So that's  the direction                                                                  
     we're trying to go to.   But hey, if we're going to become                                                                 
     force providers,  we want you to pay more of the  freight,                                                                 
     especially on these national level missions.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     And while  all of these have a cost involved,  but I think                                                                 
     we have the  right to go out and seek alternative  ways of                                                                 
     funding  for this.  When you  talk about the money coming                                                                  
     in, that C-17 mission that  we expect to see in Elmendorf,                                                                 
     they  have about  $100 million  in  military construction                                                                  
     connected with that mission to build a facility.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     The  other piece  of the debate  is, should  it just be  a                                                                 
     hangar and  a headquarters of the C-17 or should  we build                                                                 
     it a  little bigger  for the C-5?   Initially I said  well                                                                 
     let's don't  put C-5s in there too - let's just  deal with                                                                 
     C-17 because  the C-5s break more often and they'll  be in                                                                 
     the hangar  all of the time -  I won't be able to get  our                                                                 
     airplanes  in there.   But  then I  thought,  well wait  a                                                                 
     minute,  wait a minute - if we  make it for the C-5s  I've                                                                 
     got  a better  bargaining  chip to  make the  active  duty                                                                 
     military pay  for it.  I say, okay, you use my  hangar but                                                                 
     you've  got to pay  for the maintenance,  the lights,  the                                                                 
     water  and  all that  stuff.    So I  think  that's  worth                                                                 
     carefully looking at.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     The  other missions  that  are coming  up -  we are  force                                                                 
     providers  in  the  rescue  business  and  the  RCC.    We                                                                 
     actually  provide the  forces to General  Schwartz and  he                                                                 
     fights the  forces, and they prosecute about one  rescue a                                                                 
     day over time.  Those are  Alaska Guardsmen that are doing                                                                 
     that.   We're also the force  provider with 168 - they're                                                                  
     our refueling  ring.  We provide  the Alert aircraft,  the                                                                 
     KC  135  tanker,  that  provides  a refueling  capability                                                                  
     everyday  for  third  sovereignty   air  defense  here  in                                                                 
     Alaska.  That's an Alaska Guard plane.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     We're  a force provider in that  we provide the forces  to                                                                 
     plan all movements of aircraft  to Alaska.  We actually do                                                                 
     the  planning, we  approve the  planning,  we execute  the                                                                 
     plan.  If we had a major  movement through here, the North                                                                 
     PAC  route, it's your  Alaska National  Guard that is  the                                                                 
     hub of admiral  control of that area refueling  effort and                                                                 
     all the other refueling rings that come up here.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     You  saw these recent  missile launches  - there are  some                                                                 
     classified   missions  where  we  provide  the  refueling                                                                  
     support  for that and  the capability  for that so we  can                                                                 
     monitor  how  those launches  are  going over  in Russia.                                                                  
     That's  the   Alaska  National  Guard  doing  that   force                                                                 
     provider part.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     The other  thing we're looking at as a new mission  set is                                                                 
     providing  the range control, range safety for  the Alaska                                                                 
     Aerospace  Development Corporation - AADC.  The  [indisc.]                                                                 
     guard  does that now.   Now our challenge  is, it's not  a                                                                 
     military  mission  so we  have to  be creative  in how  we                                                                 
     combine the skill sets,  but by taking on that mission, it                                                                 
     gets us with  another level in space.  It's really  unique                                                                 
     here.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Again,  I'll go back  to the point.   We have one foot  in                                                                 
     our Cold War  identity of scouts and are protecting  that.                                                                 
     We have  one foot, or  one leg of that  stool is a better                                                                  
     way since  we've got three feet  here, one leg as a  force                                                                 
     provider,  and then  we've got  one leg of  that stool  in                                                                 
     space.   That's pretty neat as  we're expanding that  out.                                                                 
     So we're going out and seeking those missions.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     My biggest  concern here  is, can we  recruit, retain  the                                                                 
     full structure  that we need for all of these  new mission                                                                 
     opportunities?   My  answer is,  if we build  it right  we                                                                 
     can.  And my answer is to  you, if we continue to get your                                                                 
     support we can.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     The other thing I think  is, we are working with [indisc.]                                                                 
     PAC  to establish  a combat  search and  rescue center  of                                                                 
     excellence for Pacific command  here.  Who does search and                                                                 
     rescue better  than anybody else?  I suspect we're  on the                                                                 
     top  of that list because  we're out  there doing it  just                                                                 
     about every day in some  pretty darn tough conditions but,                                                                 
     also outfitting our aircraft.   On the Army Guard side, we                                                                 
     have suddenly  grown more sophisticated search  and rescue                                                                 
     helicopters  than  you  see  anywhere  else  in  the  Army                                                                 
     structure.   That's  because we  can make a  case for  it.                                                                 
     That's because we needed  the capacity here because of the                                                                 
     missions  we're flying  and suddenly  the sinking crew  is                                                                 
     looking and says, wow, they've  got better capability than                                                                 
     I do.  We're  also growing that to give us more  relevance                                                                 
     because the  way you keep the National Guard alive  is you                                                                 
     get them relevant - strategic  level missions.  So, at the                                                                 
     same  time  we're  doing  the  Center  of Excellence   for                                                                 
     Pacific Command  and search and rescue, we're  building an                                                                 
      Army capability that has not existed before this time.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
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     I think it's  also well we talk about diversity.   Some 30                                                                 
     percent  of  the Army  Guard is  Native,  Native Alaskan.                                                                  
     Unfortunately,  too  much of  that is  at the  bottom  and                                                                 
     we've lost the ability to  have that diversity throughout.                                                                 
     But  the Air  Guard's  a little  different story.    Their                                                                 
     percentages  of  Native  participation  are not  as  much,                                                                 
     because  they  are located  primarily  in  the Fairbanks-                                                                  
     Eielson  area and  the Anchorage  area.   Their technical                                                                  
     skills  are greater  but I would  like to  mention to  you                                                                 
     real briefly,  36 members of  Native Americans in the  Air                                                                 
     Guard  - we have four chief master  sergeants, two senior                                                                  
     master sergeants, and four  master sergeants.  Last summer                                                                 
     we graduated our first navigator  who is an Alaska Native,                                                                 
     Second  Lt. Chris Prince (ph).   The Command Chief Master                                                                  
     Sergeant  of  the entire  Alaska  Air National  Guard  was                                                                 
     Chief [indisc.] Ricky and  he is an Alaska Native as well,                                                                 
     so we're  proud of that.   So the  [indisc.] in education                                                                  
     and leadership and training is what we're about.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     All  of this fits together.   Now let  me just talk  about                                                                 
     what  we're doing  in  other areas  with the  Alaska  Army                                                                 
     National  Guard.    We  talked  about  the  changing   and                                                                 
     evolution  and scout battalions mission to a mission  that                                                                 
     they can still take pride  in and do well and partner with                                                                 
     some other  states.  We're also  going on a rural affairs                                                                  
     initiative.   And our rural affairs initiative  is to take                                                                 
     all  of the things  that we  do in rural  Alaska with  the                                                                 
     purpose  of  increasing  our  image,   our prestige,   our                                                                 
     recruiting, our retention,  our education and make it, yet                                                                 
     again, proud to be in the  military and proud to be in the                                                                 
     National  Guard.  We do a lot  of things in rural Alaska.                                                                  
     We  have  some  presence  there.    We  have  drug demand                                                                  
     reduction  efforts  there.   We  have  emergency services                                                                  
     efforts  there.   We  have  [indisc.]  readiness training                                                                  
     projects there.  We have  distance learning efforts there.                                                                 
     So the thought  is, why don't we get a link with  our past                                                                 
     through  a program called Regimental  [indisc.] Sergeants                                                                  
     Major,  and use that link with  our past to make sure  the                                                                 
     National  Guard of today takes  a chapter out of the  book                                                                 
     of the active military and  their regimental colonels that                                                                 
     we stole from the British,  and our Native population, our                                                                 
     elders and  their importance, and make sure we  understand                                                                 
     the  culture,  the  needs, and  what  it  takes us  to  be                                                                 
     successful  but at the same time focus pieces  in one area                                                                 
     at  a time  and grow  Junior ROTC  and fix  the education                                                                  
     system from  a military perspective, and make  sure we can                                                                 
     do  the  recruiting,   the  retention,  the  professional                                                                  
     development  so we  can continue  the strong  presence  in                                                                 
     rural Alaska.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     [Indisc.]  We now have real significant distance  learning                                                                 
     capabilities   to   the   National   Guard.  Out   of   my                                                                 
     headquarters  at  Ft.  Richardson,  and  these  are  fully                                                                 
     interactive, video capable,  computer automated classrooms                                                                 
     with distance  learning packages to work on the  education                                                                 
     because we  can't all come together every time  we need to                                                                 
     do stuff.   We've also established those centers  in Nome,                                                                 
     in Bethel,  and in Fairbanks.  We're also partnering  with                                                                 
     the  University   to  look  at  all  of  our  band   width                                                                 
     requirements  and  we've  identified  what band  width  we                                                                 
     needed,  every  company level  location  throughout  rural                                                                 
     Alaska.  Again,  to use our military requirements  to help                                                                 
     grow the  educational requirements  throughout the state.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Recruiting and retention  is the biggest challenge I have.                                                                 
     We've put  retention NCO in our three rural battalions  to                                                                 
     work permanently on that.   My recruiting is stronger than                                                                 
     my retention  so I've  got to work on  both ends of  that.                                                                 
     The  retention is  tied to  professional  development  and                                                                 
     making sure that the soldiers  in the [indisc.] have valid                                                                 
     military jobs  to do and we can keep them in the  National                                                                 
     Guard.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Some  other things  that  we're doing  - we  have a  fully                                                                 
     manned weapons  of mass destruction civil support  team so                                                                 
     we're able to go out and  provide forces on an interagency                                                                 
     basis  for any community first  responder and assist  them                                                                 
     in the  rapid assessment identification  detection of  any                                                                 
     weapons  of mass  destruction  use and fully  protect  our                                                                 
     individuals  and  fully and  rapidly identify  the hazard                                                                  
     that  is there  and to rapidly  recommend  to those  force                                                                 
     responders  what action  should  they take  in a chemical                                                                  
     incident or  a biological incident or a nuclear  incident.                                                                 
     Pretty significant capability,  especially if you consider                                                                 
     that the threat  to our society in the future  is going to                                                                 
     be an asymmetric  threat.  It's not going to be  an attack                                                                 
     on  our shores.    It's not  going  to be  another Desert                                                                  
     Storm-Desert  Shield,  but  it will  be  these asymmetric                                                                  
     attacks  on  our communications   infrastructure,  on  our                                                                 
     power grids,  weapons of mass destruction that  can easily                                                                 
     be brought in and that's another way we'll [indisc.].                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     The last thing I'll talk  about is we're also working with                                                                 
     other  states  to  establish  a compact  so  we  can  more                                                                 
     readily  go to  their defense  and  they can  come to  our                                                                 
     defense  on any significant emergency  matter.  One  thing                                                                 
     that we're establishing  this year is a 24 hour day, 7 day                                                                 
     a  week, 365  day  a year,  state emergency  coordination                                                                  
     center capability that will  do - when all these [indisc.]                                                                 
     pieces  together rapidly.   Now that I've  been in my  job                                                                 
     for two years  and my job begins with emergency  response,                                                                 
     we are  not ready to  rapidly respond.   We'll do a  very,                                                                 
     very  good job  when we  get spun up.   There's  a lot  of                                                                 
     scenarios  here that don't  give us the  time to get  spun                                                                 
     up.  It's  not people in that  center to just be there  to                                                                 
     answer the  phone - people that know who the right  people                                                                 
     are to call and contact  wherever they are in the state at                                                                 
     the first responder level  to the legislative level to the                                                                 
     state  level to the state police.   It's people that  have                                                                 
     got  a practice  checklist for  - those of  you that  have                                                                 
     been  in the  military understand  SOPs  and practice  and                                                                 
     training and you fight the  way you train and if you don't                                                                 
     have those checklists and  know what to do and know who to                                                                 
     go  to  get  the  resources,  you  don't  know  where  the                                                                 
     resources  are  in the  state, and  you don't  know  which                                                                 
     buttons  to push to  get the military  response, the  FEMA                                                                 
     response, the first agency  response, you're going to lose                                                                 
     so  many lives  in the first  72 hours  that you'll  never                                                                 
     recover  from  it.   You'll  continually  deal  with  that                                                                 
     crisis and  why weren't you ready to do this.   That piece                                                                 
     is  integrated with  the military piece  and the national                                                                  
     guard's piece.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     I'll  say, kind  of  in conclusion,  the  Alaska National                                                                  
     Guard  - it's  the Alaska  National  Guard and  our  first                                                                 
     mission begins  with responding to the emergencies  of the                                                                 
     citizens of  this state.  We will protect that  and at the                                                                 
     same time we're going to  lead our nation into new mission                                                                 
     areas and  at the same time that we're leading  the nation                                                                 
     into   new   mission  areas,   we   are  going   to   grow                                                                 
     opportunities for Alaska.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Mr. Chairman,  I thank you for  the opportunity to speak.                                                                  
     In  many ways  - I  know  I'm singing  to the  choir  here                                                                 
     because everybody on this  committee [indisc.] and we have                                                                 
     your support  individually and even at the national  level                                                                 
     now,  with  Senator  Pearce  and  her  Defense   Advisory                                                                  
     Committee on Women in the Services (DACOWITS).                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
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CO-CHAIRMAN  MULDER   noted  the  Alaska  National  Guard   received                                                            
$100,000 last  year for tuition assistance.   He asked whether  that                                                            
program has  been effective  and whether  Major General Oates  would                                                            
encourage its continuation.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ADJUTANT  GENERAL  OATES  said  it is  the  single,  most  effective                                                            
recruiting and  professional tool he has.  It is the  biggest impact                                                            
states  can have on  recruitment and  retention.   The basis  of the                                                            
military today and the  technical missions I'm talking about require                                                            
education  and continuing  education.   It had  a tremendous  effect                                                            
throughout  the  Guard.   He didn't  think  there is  anything  more                                                            
important that  the legislature could  do than continue the  tuition                                                            
assistance program.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIRMAN  MULDER noted  if the  Alaska National  Guard's role  is                                                            
expanding, filling the  ranks will be a challenge.  He asked whether                                                            
the  tuition assistance  program  will be  a critical  component  in                                                            
filling those ranks.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ADJUTANT GENERAL  OATES said some  states have paid full  tuition at                                                            
their state universities  for members of the national guard. Someday                                                            
that will be worth exploring in Alaska.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR AUSTERMAN asked  whether the Alaska National Guard currently                                                            
has an incentive program to join.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
ADJUTANT  GENERAL  OATES said  it  has many:  a new  Army  incentive                                                            
provides  for  laptop computers  for  new  recruits,  which  enables                                                            
recruits to take distance  learning courses; tuition assistance; and                                                            
bonuses for  shortage skills.  The  military has always operated  on                                                            
the basis of having  a very proactive program to recruit  and retain                                                            
through promotions  and education for professional  development.  He                                                            
noted  the Alaska  National  Guard  has seen  tremendous  growth  in                                                            
recruitment in Kodiak.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR AUSTERMAN  asked if the Alaska National Guard  offers a cash                                                            
bonus for enlistment.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
ADJUTANT  GENERAL OATES  said  that bonus  changes over  time so  he                                                            
would get back to Senator Austerman with an answer.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MURKOWSKI asked when the C-17s are coming.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
ADJUTANT GENERAL OATES  thought the decision to buy additional C-17s                                                            
for  Alaska and  Hawaii will  be made  this  year.   He thought  the                                                            
earliest they would be  here is in three or four years.  He noted he                                                            
believes  it is  very important  that Alaska  get eight  C-17s.   He                                                            
believes it is very important  that we have a unit that, although it                                                            
is a national  guard unit,  is associated  and has active duty  crew                                                            
members and Air  Force reserve crew members in the  unit at the same                                                            
time.  That brings the strength of all to the equation.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 360                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIRMAN WILKEN  asked what numbers are involved  with the C-17s,                                                            
national missile defense and increased recruitment.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
ADJUTANT  GENERAL OATES  answered  the number  for national  missile                                                            
defense is  appro[LEC1]ximately 300.  The numbers to assume  the air                                                            
operations  center at  Alaska NORAD  Region  is about  148.  If  the                                                            
Alaska  National Guard  assumes the  entire mission  at Clear,  that                                                            
will total  about 90.  The C-17 mission  would probably not  mean an                                                            
increase in numbers  because the military would be  giving away some                                                            
C-130s. Over  five years  he estimated an  increase of 500  to 1,000                                                            
people.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIRMAN MULDER  asked Adjutant General Oates if  he would give a                                                            
presentation  to  the committee  on  ballistic  missile  defense  at                                                            
another time.   He plans to meet with  Major General Nance  and will                                                            
invite him to Alaska.   In addition, General Kadish will be visiting                                                            
Fairbanks.   He said  that in the  near future,  a decision  to move                                                            
materials to  Shimyea may be made.   That may be done in  advance of                                                            
the  national  missile defense  decision  because  national  missile                                                            
defense is a threat based  program.  Moving materials there will not                                                            
break  the ABM  Treaty.   Two  significant events  coming  up are  a                                                            
booster  test  in  the  next  two  to  three  months  and  the  next                                                            
integrated flight test  in May or June.  If those two tests work, he                                                            
believes  there  is a  good  chance  the President  will  decide  to                                                            
proceed.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 678                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIRMAN WILKEN commended  Adjutant General Oates for his service                                                            
in  Alaska and  the country.    He announced  that  all members  are                                                            
invited  to  Northern  Edge  in  Ketchikan  on  March  21  and  then                                                            
adjourned the meeting at 5:01 p.m.                                                                                              

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